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2010 Prius vs Ford Fusion Hybrid

I've been very nervous about looking at the 2010 Prius.  I was originally going to get the new Prius until I heard about the FFH and the $3400 tax credit.  I ordered the FFH sight unseen on March 31 (last day to qualify for $3400) because of the great reviews and having seen a 2009 Fusion.  Of course I went out and test drove the 2010 as soon as my dealer got one in case I didn't like it and wanted to cancel my order.

I was nervous however about the 2010 Prius - its gotten great reviews and if you're a gas mileage junkie (which FFH owners are to some extent) you can't beat it.  What if I liked it better?  Better not to even look at it, even though I had sat in the 2009 Prius and liked it less than the FFH.  The 2010 Prius was substantially improved according to every review, and the pictures on the web looked very nice!

Today I drove by the Toyota dealer, then sucked it up, did a U-turn, and went in.  They had one on the lot but it was out for a test drive.  A lady at the front desk told me how much she loves her 2008 Prius.  I was getting nervous!

The Prius came back and I went to sit in it.  I didn't drive it because I didn't want to pretend I was in the market.  It was blue with white leather, no moonroof but it had the JBL stereo and Nav.  Price after delivery charge of $750 was $28,550 - more than I paid for my FFH ($30,120) when you consider I have the moonroof and a $3400 tax credit!  I doubt you can get a new Prius for much under MSRP these days.

My first impression was that the Prius felt cheap.  I can't put my finger on it but the quality feel of the FFH was missing.  It smelled plasticky, not leathery.

At first I couldn't figure out where to put the key - its a plastic rectangle with some buttons on it.  Then I realized you don't put it anywhere - the Prius senses the key's presence and you can turn the car on with the key in your pocket.  Pretty cool.  No pointy metal key to wear holes in your pocket like the FFH key.

The center console, which is like a bridge from the dash to the armrest, makes you feel closed in and like there is less space.  I did like the way you could rest your arm on the armrest and easily reach your coffee cup.  The door panels have an even smaller pocket for holding stuff than the FFH. 

The dash graphics (speed, mpg, etc) are very simple looking and in the center of the console, not in front of the driver.  I guess this saves money when the car has to be configured with the steering wheel on the right.  One cool thing was when you touch a steering wheel button it lights up on the center console and shows a graphic of where you are touching the button. The FFH instrument panel is higher resolution, nicer looking, configurable for different levels of "geek factor", and more traditionally placed.

As you probably know by now, I am a fan of good audio.  Well, the 2010 Prius has the same fairly crappy JBL system it had in the 2009 version.  The sound image is too far forward.  Because its a hatchback, there is no rear deck to put speakers in.  The treble is not extended even though there are dedicated tweeters up front as in the FFH Sony system.  The bass is ok but not as deep as the Sony.  Overall, the FFH Sony surrounds you with powerful, clear, and bass-rich music while the JBL in the Prius sounds like eveything is coming from the front and doesn't have the same depth, power, and range.

A real deal-killer for me - there is no USB port.  I've read that this is coming in the fall timeframe but its unclear how it will be retrofitted to existing Priuses.

A couple of other points.  The headrest is not as comfortable as the FFH's.  It feels like your head is resting on a ridge instead of a flat surface.  The nav system is DVD-based.  Not sure if this is a negative but it seems sort of retro - my guess is this is the same nav that Toyota has been using for awhile now.  I'm pretty sure the climate control is not dual-zone as in the FFH.

Last but not least, the lines of the FFH look much classier than the Prius.

So there you have it - my impressions after spending about 20 minutes in the 2010 Prius.  As I walked away a family was looking at the Prius and the husband was telling the salesman that he was either going to buy the Honda Insight or the Prius in the next two days.  I had to laugh at the transparent attempt to pressure the salesman as I don't think they will have trouble selling the Prius - it has a great reputation and great gas mileage.  I approached my FFH half worried that a Toyota salesman would have keyed it.  As I got in I was delighted by the upscale, solid, "real car" feel of my FFH compared to the 2010 Prius.

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Reader Comments (33)

Thanks for the comparison. I really hope the competition for hybrids heats up with a lot of high-quality vehicles. We can only benefit.

I think what really set off the Ford Fusion Hybrid for me was the quality of the interior. Admittedly, I have the leather interior. It is just a very class-act job, complete with white stitching in the black leather. Nothing really plastiky about my FFH! I appreciate your comparison.

If I had a complaint against Ford, when compared to Toyota, is about its SYNC communications. Primitive at best when compared against GM's On-STAR, and Toyota's G-Book Alpha. This is especially true in rural areas where the driver is at the mercy of SYNC's reliance on the dinkly little pocket cell phone's anemic transmitter, when examined against the 3 watts of On-STAR's transmitter, and Toyota's G-Book Alpha. But, that is what Ford gets for partnering with MicroSoft.

June 28, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterLarry Rymal

I read your comparison with a lot of interest. I have also been concerned about the 2010 Prius, and fearing maybe I jumped to soon to get the FFH. I haven't gone by a lot yet to check out a Prius, I probably won't, but I'm glad you did and shared it with us! Everything you wrote reminded me a lot of my old 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid, and why I couldn't wait to get my FFH.

I am curious though, did the model you look at have the solar panels? I am really curious if the solar powered cooling is as awesome as it sounds, or if it is just marketing gimmick.

Thank you!
Rob

June 28, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterRob M

Hi Rob,

You can't get the solar panels without the moonroof, and this one didn't have the moonroof. I read somewhere in the forums that the fan is a gimmick because it doesn't keep the inside surfaces of the car from heating up; and opening the doors when you get in is enough to provide comparable cooling to the fan. I think its a pretty expensive option, so I'm not sure its worth it.

- Bill

June 28, 2009 | Registered CommenterBill Wood

Thanks for the review, and it looked pretty objective. I had (sold it Thursday, pick up the FFH this coming week) a 2005 Prius (the 2004-2009 models were all Gen II and quite similar) and have some of the same observations:

1 - Even though I am not a huge audio nut, I recognized a huge difference between the FFH that I test drove and the Prius that I owned for 128k miles. The FFH had much better sound and was balanced, on the Prius I needed to shift the fade setting to about 70% to the rear to make it sound even. So I am right with you on that one.

2 - I agree on the "plasticky" observation as well, and even though the FFH has some signs of mass-production in its interior, I like it better.

3 - That description of the new Prius solar panel thing made it sound like it was a solar-powered circulation fan, which as you say seems gimmicky and and expensive option. Do you really want to pay an extra $200 or $2,000 (or whatever the option's cost is) to lower your sun-baking interior from 140º to 120º while it is in a parking lot? Seems if the car is sitting in the sun for an extended time, you're still going to have to initially roll down all the windows anyway. But since I've never used it, it could be the greatest thing, I don't know.

4 - The biggest difference that I observed between the two was the quality of the ride, where the FFH was mush smoother. I think to do a full review you would need to drive the Prius around the block and on the highway for a few miles and see what you think. For me, the ride in the Prius was not as smooth and not nearly as quiet, as you couldn't drive 65MPH down the road in the Prius without having to really turn up the volume on the radio. I don't know if they have added insulation somewhere for the 2010 and improved on this, but I sure hope so.

5 - The Prius will still win for MPG, and for those whose primary consideration is gas sipping, the Prius would still be the way to go. This is how it was for me in 2005, but my preferences have changed and now I want a more comfortable ride.

June 28, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterjeff_h

Jeff,

I like the FFH ride, the only thing I don't like is when it goes over a bump you really feel it! I don't know if the Prius is better or worse in that regard.

- Bill

June 28, 2009 | Registered CommenterBill Wood

As long as the air conditioner can cool down the car fairly quick than the solar sunroof is a joke. I find on my sunroof that if I close it and open the rear windows about a 3rd the way it helps cool the car a whole lot faster than leaving open the roof. Matter of fact my car stays cooler with the sunroof closed and the sliding sunroof shade also closed.

June 28, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterDave

One thing I've learned over the years is that Toyota doesn't deal. You pay sticker. I plan to get a Milan this fall but not a hybrid model. As 95% of my miles are highway, the extra cost of the hybrid doesn't make sense.

June 29, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterRob

I love my Milian Hybrid. My buddy has a Camry HB and he loves my car. The Milian HB navigation is hands down a winner. Travel link, the USB port and the EV mode up to 47 mph beat the Camry and maybe the Prius also in stop and go driving situations. The styling of both the Milian and Fusion HB also beats the Prius and Camry outside and inside. It is just fun to drive this vechicle.

June 29, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterTony

It is fun to drive! I love coasting along in stealth mode at 45 mph!

June 29, 2009 | Registered CommenterBill Wood

For fifty bucks, you can get a flip-style key from eBay. I was looking for something like this and came across a post on the Ford Fusion Forum where someone bought this key.

The key is pretty solidly built and comes ready to use; just find a good locksmith to cut it for you. You program the remote using a sequence of key turns (with your original car key) in the ignition. To program the car to recognize the new key's transponder, you do something similar, but the process involves two keys. The key came with instructions on how to do this, but I've found similar info using Google.

Anyway, the key was shipped from China via USPS (had to go to the post office to sign for it), but if you're interested, look for seller artiway on eBay. The item description says "07 08 09 FORD FLIP KEY REMOTE FUSION ESCAPE FOCUS EDGE" but it works in the 2010.

It's nice; I wish Ford had offered keyless ignition or at the very least provided a key like this.

July 2, 2009 | Unregistered Commentercue

Wow, good info thanks!

July 2, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterBill Wood

Thanks for a great review. One thing that I'm curious about (that you couldn't address) was the brake feel on the Prius. I was very surprised at how 'normal' the regenerative braking on the FFH is. Feel's just like a "normal car". Driving 2008 Prius, I felt that the brakes were a little 'grabby'. I was curious to know if Toyota changed this in the 2010 model.

July 8, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterPhil

I've heard the brake feel is better but wooden on the 2010 Prius. You can definitely feather the FFH brakes nicely.

July 9, 2009 | Registered CommenterBill Wood

I don't know why but I have never liked Toyota. The Ford Escape Hybrid almost got my money. I test drove a Civic Hybrid, Insight, Second Gen Prius, Third Gen Prius, Ford Fusion Hybrid & Ford Escape Hybrid all in the same day. That was a hell of a busy day! I didn't like the Insight because I felt it was overpriced. I loved the Civic but wanted it to have a ECON button & that color changing speedo the Insight has in order to help me with my driving habits. The Second Gen Prius was a joke ... I couldn't figure out how Toyota sold so many of these horrible driving cars. The Fusion Hybrid reallly cool but for the money I wanted better gas milage. The Escape Hybrid is awesome ... great gas milage for am SUV! But the Third Gen Prius was amazing for the base price. I can't believe that I will own a Toyota next Monday but for the money it was the best car. At least this is how I saw it. The best dash was the Civic I really would have loved to have one with more Insight type Econ features. I was not in a huury to buy but when I asked the dealer if they knew what the next gen Civic would have all I got back was a salesman pitch. Test drive them all & keep in mind the Escape Hybrid is the only car built in the USA ... so if that is important to you let it help you make up your mind. As for me ... my taxpayer dollars were given to auto comapies to help them out & that is not cool with me! If I wanted to buy stock in a company I would ... I don't need the government investing it for me. Sayonara US cars I'm going Japanese!

July 9, 2009 | Unregistered Commenternot a fan of toyota

Ford didn't take tax dollars!

If you don't mind, what did you pay for the Prius? My fully loaded FFH was $30,120 before taxes, plus a nice tax credit ($3400 in my case but you can still get the $1700 credit) which is not subject to AMT.

Check out my post on gas mileage; it really doesn't save you that much to go from 40 mpg (FFH) to 50 mpg (Prius) - just 1/2 gallon per 100 miles.

July 10, 2009 | Registered CommenterBill Wood

When you take into account the extra 5.5 gallons, the FFH wins. That's assuming you are getting 36 mpg.

July 13, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterRobert

i did get a deal on my new 2010 prius. I got 4% off of the sticker price and paid no title fee. that doesn't sound like a lot, but i have never gotten anything off of a toyota without a trade-in. i bought this with no trade-in. i love toyota. i have never had a problem. this is my 3rd prius. i had a 2005, still own a 2006 and now i have a 2010. they are great cars.

July 21, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterk mccutcheon

Thanks for all your postings regarding your ownership of the FFH. I've owned my 2004 Prius since Nov 03 and I absolutely love the car. It still has quite a bit of life left in it (only have 67,000 miles). I am trying to convince my mom to test drive the Milan Hybrid as she currently is in the market for a new car. Every review I've read on the FFH has been positive. Owners love their cars and the press seems very positive on their reviews as well. One feature I love on my 04 is keyless entry. I can't believe Ford left that out. Sorry to say but that is SO last century!! Even some cheapo Kias and Nissans have keyless entry. How about it Ford??? Other than that, I will definitely be test driving one very soon. I love the conservative styling and the interior looks stunning in photographs. I am going to be very thorough in my assessment. What is important to me is the solidity of the vehicle. I've driven Fords that are two years old and they tend to become very squeaky with lots of rattles. I hope the Fusion/Milan are made so that they maintain a high degree of solidity throughout their lifespan. Nothing is as horrible as driving a relatively new car and hearing rattles and squeaks.

July 23, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterDave Windsor

Agreed, I like the Milan styling too (the 2010 styling - not the 2009 which looks like an old fogey car). I was almost regretting my Fusion purchase until I saw they don't sell the Milan in Sterling Gray.

The solidity of the Fusion is really great. I think you'll like it.

Totally agree about the key! You don't really have keyless, as in key is in your pocket, correct? You still have to stick the key in the dash don't you?

July 24, 2009 | Registered CommenterBill Wood

My 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid has keyless entry.

January 24, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterBill

@Bill by keyless entry do you mean the numeric code you can enter on the door? We were discussing starting the car without a key in the ignition.

February 4, 2010 | Registered CommenterBill Wood

@ Phil:

I'm glad to know your in LA and I think I can help you with your Ford Fusion 2008 Spare parts problem. I'm from LA and I order my parts at Car Parts Los Angeles http://www.autopartsla.com

Check out the site and take a loot at what you need. They ship or allow pick-up by after purchase.

I hope that helped. Cheers.

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